Daredevil: Born Again, Kingpin’s Evolution, and the Case for Ben Affleck’s Daredevil | Original Geek | S1E31

This week on Original Geek, we head into Hell’s Kitchen to talk all things Daredevil — especially Daredevil: Born Again on Disney+.

Steve and Jeff break down what’s working in the new series, why Vincent D’Onofrio’s Kingpin is still one of Marvel’s best villains, how the Netflix version shaped the modern character, and whether the 2003 Ben Affleck Daredevil movie deserves a reduced sentence in Geek Court.

We also get into Daredevil’s comic roots, Frank Miller’s influence, old-school comic memories, the street-level side of Marvel, and why bringing Charlie Cox and the original cast back was one of the smartest moves Marvel could have made.

If you grew up on comic books, Marvel shows, and superhero movies that were sometimes amazing and sometimes a beautiful mess, this episode is for you.

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Steve Scarfo (00:00)
It's funny because I think I told you earlier, I just watched this episode today, because I was trying to get caught up for when we filmed for this. And so I actually found myself thinking that exact thing, which is, holy shit, you feel bad for him. Like he is evil incarnate and you do you feel bad for him. And Dinafra was amazing.

All right, welcome to Original Geek. This is the All Fandom podcast for sci-fi, fantasy, comics, and every pop culture obsession that built us. Whether you're Gen X, millennial, or just geek curious, welcome to the basement. Hi, I'm Steve Scarfo.

Jeff (00:46)
and I'm Jeff Shaw and it will be your blind justice for today's search for the truth in a city of lies. But first, before we do that,

All right, so this would be a quick canon correction. The last episode, I said that Chris Miller from Project Hail Mary was great. I mean, he's so good. He nailed Deadpool. Only I got the wrong Miller. Tim Miller did Deadpool. So that's the canon correction. And let's move on to Daredevil. What, you've got one? ⁓

Steve Scarfo (01:27)
⁓ no, no, hold on. I do want to talk to, no, but I just want to

revel in the fact that this was your, this was your canon correction this time. And that's something I said, which is, you know, typically what the canon corrections come from is like, often misstate shit.

Jeff (01:43)
Well, I mean, technically,

as long as we're calling you out, you did say the very first Spider-Man was Tobey Maguire. And I think technically we proved in an earlier episode that the first Spider-Man was in the 1970s for live action. So not Tobey Maguire. I don't know who it was, but it wasn't Tobey. So technically...

Steve Scarfo (02:00)
True, yes. Damn it, see? There was that guy. Hold on.

All right, we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it right. ⁓ Spider-Man.

Jeff (02:15)
You're checking it real time.

Steve Scarfo (02:16)
I'm checking in real time. I'm looking, ⁓ Spider-Man.

Jeff (02:21)
Yeah, I mean, there's probably even more because totally my wire wasn't until the 90s, right? So.

Steve Scarfo (02:26)
Yeah,

I'm looking on IMDB. That's usually my movie source.

Jeff (02:28)
or 2000s.

Yeah, 2000s actually, now that think of it.

Steve Scarfo (02:34)
⁓ God, there were a lot of them. Yeah. So anyway, there was, there was, ⁓ I thought I might find it easily. I'm not going to spend eight minutes Googling while you guys are listening to me go, ⁓ but, there was another guy in the seventies or eighties who played Spider-Man on TV. ⁓ I was trying to make it a little better for myself. well, no, no, no. The, electric company guy. Yes. But there was another TV show in the eighties.

Jeff (02:39)
Ha

Ha

70s

because it was from the electric company.

Yes,

there was,

Steve Scarfo (03:03)
That

was like a regular TV show. ⁓ So, ⁓ yes, so thanks for making sure that I also had to talk about a Canon correction. I should have just let us, I was gonna let it move on. I should have. All right, but now we're gonna jump into the basement brief.

Jeff (03:08)
Yeah.

⁓ I was gonna let it go, but you had to...

Yeah, so today we're talking Daredevil, mostly the Daredevil born again TV show out on Disney Plus. But hey, anything Daredevil's fair game.

Steve Scarfo (03:34)
Yeah.

Right now we're halfway through season two of The Born Again. so season, episode five I think just dropped a couple days ago. So we're gonna talk about the, yes. And it was a funky episode. We'll talk a little more later about the details in there. it's funny, because this is a, you know, this is a character that lived.

Jeff (03:45)
Mm-hmm, it did, yeah.

The grand design.

Steve Scarfo (04:05)
Well, we just talked a little bit about it. All these iterations from comics to different. We talked about that, I think, off like we were doing with the Spider-Man here with you guys. We were just before we started looking at the list of daredevils, and it's a much shorter list for live action daredevils. I actually just saw a clip with Charlie Cox and they asked him how many people have played the live action daredevil. And he said, of course, himself, Ben Affleck, and then some other guy he couldn't remember.

Jeff (04:20)
There's only three.

Steve Scarfo (04:33)
That's what he said.

Jeff (04:33)
Hahaha

Steve Scarfo (04:36)
I thought that was pretty funny.

⁓ But you know, this ⁓ was back in the Netflix heyday of Marvel shows. This I think, I should have looked this one up. Maybe you did. This I believe was the first of the Netflix shows that.

Jeff (04:50)
It was, it

started it and there's a great connection to Project Hail Mary. Drew Goddard wrote all of the Daredevil, well he wrote 39 Daredevil episodes, so I assume that's all of them or most of them. So Drew Goddard was the writer for Project Hail Mary. And competency porn connection, ⁓ he's also the writer and producer for High Potential with Caitlin Olson, who my wife said,

Steve Scarfo (05:05)
it's gotta be close, there was only three.

Jeff (05:20)
is should have been our porn star competency porn star. That's her choice. And really, that is the right choice. What can I say? That's. Caitlin Olsen would be.

Steve Scarfo (05:29)
I mean, that delves into both sides. Yes. I

think we were, I was focusing more on the intellectual than the porn, but if she's got both sides of it though.

Jeff (05:39)
Well, she's got the intellect. She's,

yeah, it's, cause I use the mentalist and that's essentially, she's just another version of that. So, yeah, only an attractive female, which might've been ⁓ good for our theme. Yeah, so Drew Goddard, ⁓ Daredevil, The Martian, ⁓ Project Hail Mary.

Steve Scarfo (05:46)
Yeah, mentalist, monk, psych, they're all.

Yes. Probably more appropriate, a little more appropriate for.

He wrote the scripts, though. He

wasn't the author of the... He wrote the scripts.

Jeff (06:07)
He wrote the script for the film, not

the book. Yeah, so he's done a ton of stuff. ⁓ geez, Lost, ⁓ The Defenders, he actually wrote The Defenders as well. Well, he wrote one episode of The Defenders, okay.

Steve Scarfo (06:24)
Well, the defenders...

But

so that's important to talk a little bit about too though, because while Daredevil started everything for Netflix, Netflix jumped on the Marvel train long before there was an MCU. ⁓ Maybe not long before, but before they really picked up at Disney. So the movies were out there, because I ⁓ the first Iron Man was 07 or 08, and Daredevil didn't hit Netflix until 2015.

Jeff (06:45)
Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (06:56)
but they picked up these lower level, we talked about it a couple times now, the street level characters that the Marvel, before they became part of Disney, that the Marvel film production company wasn't focusing on. So Netflix bought the rights to use them, they got Daredevil, which was awesome, and then they jumped into Jessica Jones, which is actually cool for me, because it was a character I hadn't known at all before.

Jeff (07:22)
No,

me either.

Steve Scarfo (07:24)
And Kristen Ritter was great in that part. And then ⁓ they did Luke Cage and Iron Fist. Now, again, I had heard of Luke Cage. I'd never heard of Iron Fist either. Never heard of Iron Fist. I don't know. There are certain... I think there were like, ⁓ either I blacked them out or I have these gaps in my history knowledge of... ⁓ I just, they weren't the ones I focused on.

Jeff (07:29)
Luke Cage and Iron Fist, yeah.

Really? He's from our time period. He's Heroes for Hire. Come on.

Well, and it's funny because the

defenders, I knew them from, you know, collecting comics and they were not those defenders. The defenders was Dr. Strange, the Hulk, Valkyrie, Nighthawk, Hellcat, Gargoyle, like these more mystical ⁓ heroes.

Steve Scarfo (07:59)
No.

Yeah.

Yeah, I remember seeing the covers with the word defenders, but never remember seeing those folks. ⁓ Well, and I think it set the stage for the larger MCU ⁓ because ⁓ when the first Iron Man came out, I don't know that that wasn't like a universe play.

Jeff (08:16)
I was nothing like these defenders.

Steve Scarfo (08:40)
It was a, let's make a really good Iron Man movie. ⁓ I'm gonna do a little, yeah.

Jeff (08:46)
That was 2008, so.

And Daredevil came out in 2015.

Steve Scarfo (08:51)
Yeah, so it was eight years, when they did Iron Man, it wasn't like they were planning for the MCU. Or let's put it this way, it didn't seem to the public. Maybe they were planning it. Yeah.

Jeff (08:57)
No.

Well, they were hopeful because the Avengers

protocol was mentioned by Nick Fury in one of the scenes.

Steve Scarfo (09:07)
Yes. Well,

true. And the end scene for every movie even early on had a connector, some connective tissue. ⁓

Of course, this isn't gonna give me a good list. ⁓ there it is, Iron Man and then, ⁓ what was the next one? Was it Iron Man 2? Did they just take out the sequel first? ⁓

Jeff (09:34)
Yes.

Yeah, The Avengers came out in 2012, so it was only four years.

three years before Daredevil. So I don't think we can give Daredevil much credit for the MCU.

Steve Scarfo (09:45)
No, I was trying to say not that we can give Daredevil credit for the MCU, but they were doing their own thing. And so Disney and Marvel were not unaware, but didn't care much about Daredevil or those properties. Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, they were like, okay, those are Marvel properties, but we're not, don't care. We want Avengers. We want Thor. We want Iron Man. We want Captain America.

Jeff (09:52)
Yeah.

Yeah, it the street level stuff.

Steve Scarfo (10:15)
They wanted the big names so they didn't give a shit about the little guys, if you will. Then Netflix destroyed. ⁓ Disney picks up the Marvel world. They buy the whole thing. And much to the chagrin of everybody, they shut it down. You know what I mean? They literally like took all the shows back and said, no, no, no, no, we want them back. And, ⁓

and left us hanging. But ⁓ I think we're actually digging a little into some evolution and flashbacks. So before we go too far, ⁓ I always do this. We're gonna drop into our random review

Jeff (10:48)
Evolution.

Ha ha

Steve Scarfo (11:04)
All right, welcome to the original Geek Random Review. We set the topic, the dice set the direction. We know what we're reviewing, we just don't know how.

Jeff (11:13)
All right, you roll for me.

Steve Scarfo (11:15)
I get a roll for you. All right, I'll give the quick blurb. We haven't been blurbing, but if you've watched this, then you know what we're doing. If you haven't, we have a preset list of 10 to 12 items where you use a D20. Whatever we roll is what we read. We don't preview these and we like to just speak as much off the cuff as we can. We couldn't get any special guest stars this time. We are wearing our...

Jeff (11:43)
original geek. Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (11:43)
Galaxy Quest shirts. All right, you ready? This is my Galaxy

Quest die. 17 successful wisdom. Vincent D'Onofrio's vulnerability. Fisks breakdown at Vanessa's bedside. This is perfect. This is from the most recent episode. Chillingly human in episode five, D'Onofrio shows a shattered Fisk whose money and influence can't save his wife spoilers. And in a high

wisdom check for the audience to see the man behind the monster. Can I think of that?

Jeff (12:15)
Yeah,

⁓ Vincent D'Onofrio is an amazing kingpin, I'll say that. In the different iterations he's played in the original Netflix series, and then he was in Echo, slightly different ⁓ portrayal there. He was in Hawkeye, which he was also a little, there's been some tweaks and differences, but what I love about the born again version of ⁓ Fisk,

Steve Scarfo (12:31)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (12:46)
is that I didn't think I could ever see him like feel sorry for him. But I actually like, cause he's so evil. He's so bad. And I think, know, and I, we don't like to delve into politics on this podcast, but I can't help but think of parallels between having this felon in charge.

Steve Scarfo (12:54)
Right.

Jeff (13:15)
and getting away with all this stuff and just making hand over fist at money and no, and like getting away with it. Like I was just, I like, I'm so mad for both the real version of this and this screen version that I'm seeing. And then he plays the love like he has for Vanessa is so real and it's so human and so shattered that. ⁓

Steve Scarfo (13:24)
no redeeming qualities.

Jeff (13:45)
His performance is like a Golden Globe worthy performance here. And our Emmy winning performance here. Yeah, I think it was an amazing job of both the actor and the filmmakers to make us care that this guy got his heart broken.

Steve Scarfo (13:53)
yeah.

Right.

⁓ It's funny because I think I told you earlier, I just watched this episode today, because I was trying to get caught up for when we filmed for this. And so I actually found myself thinking that exact thing, which is, holy shit, you feel bad for him. Like he is evil incarnate and you do you feel bad for him. And Dinafra was amazing.

⁓ I love him and pretty much everything I've ever seen him in I won't say I've seen everything he's done. I always think he does an amazing job Do you know what's funny and I didn't know this I think originally when he played kingpin back in the 2015 era He really put on all the weight. He's such a method guy He like put on all the weight, but he's older now and he said his body can't handle it So they actually put him in a fat suit. I didn't know that until just recently ⁓ So that's pretty cool

Jeff (14:59)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, and

then he had to get jacked in his arms for the for this season for the boxing match because they said that they would have given him long sleeves, but he really he wanted to to do it in short sleeves. So he he got he got jacked because otherwise it would look ridiculous. His thin arms and his fat.

Steve Scarfo (15:09)
for the fight.

Yeah.

Yeah, his huge body and tiny

little arms. I will say it's funny you talk about the dichotomy of the two parts of him. Like in the end of the previous episode, you see him beat the living crap out of the other, like brutalize the other fighter. Like beyond what a fighter, a fight should have been. he, the implication is maybe he even killed the guy. They don't ever show that, but, and then to be so vulnerable in the next episode was just phenomenal.

Jeff (15:40)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (15:55)
Alright, hit me. Hit me.

Jeff (15:56)
Rollin' for you in 11.

It was funny. So the net, so successful perception check. The Netflix flashback, season two, episode five's use of the 1.78 to one aspect ratio, a visual love letter. In episode five, the show shifts to the old Netflix era aspect ratio and darker lighting during.

Steve Scarfo (16:02)
This is funny.

Jeff (16:25)
flashbacks to Matt and Foggy's early days. It's a brilliant cue that effectively triggers the perception of the shift in Matt's mental state. And I am going to let you answer this in a moment, but I want to say for myself, I watched this on a tablet and I did not notice this and I bet I would have been on the big screen.

Steve Scarfo (16:49)
No, you wouldn't have. Because I watched it. I'll tell you now, because I did watch it on the big screen and I did not notice this. This is funny. We typically don't look at these. We updated it today because the previous version of our list was before episode five and it was the thing that jumped out of me while I was putting the new list in my notes. ⁓

I know aspect ratios, I've been a video guy for a while, I've done it somewhat professionally at work, know, 69, 916, like I get the typical ratios. I don't know what 1.78 to one is supposed to look like. I don't know if it's supposed to be more square, but I did not notice it on the screen. Now, maybe that's just, I will say I felt more like I was watching the Netflix show, but.

Also, you know, it's a flashback that includes the character of Foggy who dies at the beginning of season one of Born Again. So obviously, you know it's a flashback. And we did...

Jeff (17:50)
Yeah. And James

Wesley or Wesley, his, his right-hand man that got killed and it had the, ⁓ and that's the flashbacks of Vanessa and Fisk meeting. So yeah.

Steve Scarfo (17:56)
yes.

Yeah. Yeah,

they had flashbacks throughout, but I will say the one thing ⁓ about the flashbacks I did not like, and I said this before too, because we did talk a little bit about the aspect ratio is in the flashback in the office between Foggy and Matt Murdoch, they try to make them look like they did, which is now 10 or 11 years ago, because it started in 2015. ⁓ And the wigs that they put on them were horrendous.

They looked like bad wigs. And I'm like, this is a Hollywood level production. You guys couldn't have come up with better hair for both of them. They were so, maybe on the tablet it didn't show, but I'm looking up and it's like.

Jeff (18:49)
So Foggy's hair did stand out to me, but I didn't think of it as a bad wig. I thought just the actor's older and they styled it, but it could have been a bad wig, yeah.

Steve Scarfo (18:54)
God.

Well, let me, it was so bad I thought it was a wig. So I don't know if it was bad styling or a bad wig. So you're right, it could just be his hair and that's how he looks now. it looked like they were trying too hard in the look. ⁓ It was the only part of the flashbacks I didn't like. It was very cool to see another, ⁓ and I don't know the actor's name who plays Foggy. I should have looked it up, but he is... ⁓

He's great and it was good to see him back. I liked him in the original series. I was really annoyed when they killed him at the beginning of season one for Born Again. ⁓ But yeah, the goofy wigs aside, it was a very cool way to tie back old storylines with new ones. And they did it in a couple of different ways, the Darcy character of with Gandolfini's son playing ⁓

Benjamin, is that his name? The guy who's Fisk's deputy mayor. ⁓ They have the parallel flashbacks between Matt and Foggy and the other guy and ⁓ Darcy character. then they sort of, ⁓ they overlap at the very end. So throughout the episode, you're seeing flashbacks on multiple sides. Actually, you see the Vanessa Fisk flashbacks too. And all of these flashbacks end up overlapping.

Jeff (20:01)
Yeah, ⁓

Steve Scarfo (20:26)
to some degree by the end of the episode. So I do think they handled the flashbacks really well. Flashbacks are such a tricky, ⁓ know, people expect flashbacks and so they could be cheesy and they can be done weirdly. But I think they serve the storyline really well in this case.

Jeff (20:42)
Michael Gandolfini as Daniel Bleak.

Steve Scarfo (20:44)
Daniel, not Benjamin, Daniel.

Jeff (20:47)
Benjamin

is bullseye. ⁓

Steve Scarfo (20:51)
that's right. So you know, it was great. ⁓ I have friends who are huge. Jimmy Dunn is a huge fan of the Sopranos. And there's a scene at the end where Darcy brings Daniel out into the woods and they're driving and the whole scene is very much reminiscent of a Sopranos style. We're going to whack you and drop you in the in the woods. I won't spoil what the outcome is if you haven't seen episode five, but there's a whole stretch ⁓ where

to me at least, because I loved The Sopranos, that it was a... I have to feel like they intentionally filmed this in a way that would have fit into The Sopranos. And especially with Gandolfini being, you know, obviously the son of ⁓ Tony Soprano there. ⁓ So it was very cool. It was a great episode. Anyway, so listen, if you like our random reviews, like them, follow them, share them with your friends.

If you don't like them, tell us why. If you do like them, tell us what you want to hear more of. Do we want to?

Jeff (21:55)
Wait, when you're

saying Darcy, you mean Buck Cashman?

You said driving them out.

Steve Scarfo (22:01)
Jesus,

thank God you saved me from mechanic correction. Yes, I mean Buck. I don't know where I got Darcy. ⁓ Do you know what is? I don't know what it is about him that reminds me of a character named Darcy. I don't know what it is. Jesus, all right, so everything I said about Darcy, it's Buck. Just go back in your head, rewind and replace all the shit I said of Darcy with Buck because that's who I meant. He's the hitter. He's the MI5-esque.

Jeff (22:05)
Okay.

You

Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (22:31)
Shadow Assassin dude. And you really think he's gonna I got the names of both of those characters wrong. And I just watched the episode today. listen, if you love my silliness, please watch and listen if you don't tell tell Jeff he should smack me more. But listen, you know, original geek podcast calm, check it out. We we do this as a standalone section. So if you're going to continue listening to us,

Jeff (22:39)
Ha ha ha.

Steve Scarfo (22:59)
For the rest of the episode, we are going to jump into our geek flashback. And if you're not going to listen to us on the full episode, shame on you. Come over and join us on the full episode.

Jeff (23:09)
dare you.

How dare you.

Steve Scarfo (23:20)
Alright, I'm gonna start just because my only flashback is small and it's I never collected a lot of Daredevil books. I had a few I remember there were a couple ⁓ There were like the anniversary episodes issues that came out with like special embossed covers And I bought those purely as collectibles rather than for the story I always liked the daredevil story, but for some reason never bought a ton of the books. So

Jeff (23:26)
Okay.

Steve Scarfo (23:49)
My flashback is really gonna start in 2015 with my love for that particular version. We'll talk a little bit more about the Ben Affleck version, but yeah, that's where mine's gonna go to is 2015. So I'll let you jump in, sorry.

Jeff (24:02)
Ha

Ha

Well, yeah, so my my flashback and we can make this one quick because I'm going to delve more into this during Basement Treasures, but it's of an early one. One of my early memories of a Daredevil comic and I don't. I was nine years old and ⁓ when I think about this, like it's insane to me that my parents were cool with me buying this course. I've talked about the movies that my dad would take me to, so.

probably no surprise here, but in

Steve Scarfo (24:40)
The source of your childhood trauma.

Jeff (24:41)
it's Daredevil, I had to look it up. It's 160, yeah, Daredevil 160 from 1979 and it's Bullseye. And he's got a cord of a hairdryer wrapped around an unconscious, potentially dead black widow. And he's like,

you know, just all excited. And, and so it's kind of a scary looking cover. And I remembered buying that comic. we moved around a lot and I don't still have that one, but I distinctly remember that as my first experience with Daredevil. And, and that was during Frank Miller. He, he wrote, ⁓ Daredevil for years and

totally transformed Daredevil from being kind of a, this is just from my research, not from my experience, like as I said, I started with Frank Miller. But before that, guess he could have been considered kind of like a weaker version of Spider-Man, because Spider-Man had a lot of superpowers and Daredevil, a bar of radiation hit his eyes or.

in the Ben Affleck version, it was splashed with radioactive ⁓ waste from a canister and it gave him his radar sense and heightened senses and blinded him. ⁓

Steve Scarfo (26:13)
Yeah.

So oddly, because I wanted to see what you were talking about, I just looked at the cover, which is kind of a disturbing character cover. So Frank Miller was the artist along with Klaus Janssen, but the writer is actually Roger McKenzie. So Frank Miller didn't write those or didn't not that one anyway. He might have written some of them. ⁓

But let's see, that is a fairly, well, I mean, bucks for a 30 year old comics, 1979, September 10th.

Jeff (26:51)
Yeah. ⁓ actually, and it was the first Frank Miller bullseye. Okay. Yeah. That Frank Miller either wrote or drew him. Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (26:53)
This is why I live Google.

Was it the first time?

That's cool.

I definitely had some daredevils. ⁓ I don't have an, you know, I'm not going to belabor the point. That's why I skipped quickly through mine. ⁓

He was a presence that I knew that we talked about, but it wasn't one of my top topics. But we are going to talk about how, ⁓ how the movies have come along and one in particular, we're going to go to court about.

Jeff (27:41)
Yes, and it's, is a clemency. This is all about clemency. is, this is, this is trying to kind of have a different view of the Ben Affleck 2003 Daredevil. And I am going to come to the defense and argue for some clemency for this film. But do you want to?

Steve Scarfo (27:41)
All right.

Thanks

Jeff (28:10)
first state the case as to why this is crap or do you want me to provide my evidence for why I think it deserves more love than it's getting?

Steve Scarfo (28:20)
It's hard to really sum up the level of cheese that came along. It was a movie, ⁓ now I will say this, in 2003, I enjoyed it, but you had nothing to compare it to. So wait, no, no, not giving up. I'm telling you, in the moment,

Jeff (28:38)
Ooh, look at that. He's already given up. He enjoyed the film. That's all I ask.

Steve Scarfo (28:49)
And in the moment, the film was interesting and I had never seen a Daredevil movie. But now, and I'm actually looking at it right now, it's sort of the preview ⁓ version on IMDB and it's showing clips and every one of them ⁓ is cheesier than the last. ⁓ Colin Farrell with the actual bullseye etched into his forehead. This reminded me.

Jeff (29:08)
Okay.

Steve Scarfo (29:17)
We talked about it, ⁓ God, at one point about ⁓ when the first Michael Keaton Batman was a great movie. But then every subsequent Batman movie got worse because they kept, except for the Christian Bales, ⁓ they kept trying to up the ante so they would add more bad guys and they would make more, like they thought more characters meant better movies and more stakes, right? But it didn't, it was just bad because they threw Jennifer Garner in as Electra.

Um, they, I mean, and she, you know, she was a great Electra, um, Colin Farrell as, um, as bullseye, uh, with the craziest Irish, like I know he's an Irish dude, but Jesus Christ, that accent was so heavy. Um, especially compared to the bullseye we have today in 2026. Um, who's, uh, I'll look his name up too, but, um, and then, um,

Jeff (29:47)
She was great. Thank you.

ColourFail's great actor.

Steve Scarfo (30:15)
What was his name? Michael Clarke Duncan. They went with the black. They made they went with the black kingpin, which is an interesting choice. They chose. I love Michael Clarke Duncan and everything ⁓ except Bulls. He was he's a good actor, 100 percent. This movie to me just it. No, this this it should have come together. It should have jelted had every component. If you look at anything on its face.

Jeff (30:18)
He was perfect as the kingpin.

He's perfect.

He's reaching now, folks.

Steve Scarfo (30:44)
Ben Affleck, Jennifer Conner, both huge and O3, right? You would think that they would have been enough. Colin Farrell was a big actor at the time. He'd done a ton of movies. Michael Clarke Duncan, I'm sure he just came off the green mile or was in that same zone for him. Like all of these actors had like big clout and they came together like melted Legos. They just didn't gel for me.

⁓ On the rewatch we talking about movies that did not hold up and for me this one does not hold up So you can tell me why you think I'm wrong

Jeff (31:15)
All right,

so I wanna explain why I even bothered rewatching it. So like you, I remember enjoying this film. And so let's just say we both enjoyed this film in 2003. And secondly, as I was watching Daredevil episode four, and ⁓ well actually, and actually even some of the other episodes in this season.

Steve Scarfo (31:29)
You could say it, I did say that in 03.

Jeff (31:44)
And I see Daredevil getting his ass fucking kicked by ordinary cops. And then he has to get rescued by bullseye. And then he's like out of breath. And then he gets hit by some things. I'm like, where's his radar sense? And then I realized this version doesn't have radar sense. He just has really good hearing. So I'm thinking, all right, I'm going to watch like the 2003 Ben Affleck maybe.

Steve Scarfo (31:47)
Mmm.

Jeff (32:13)
some redemption is his, is he a better fighter? I'm not saying it's a, none of them are better than this version. I just thought, what if they got one thing right though? What if his abilities?

Steve Scarfo (32:25)
than what we have today.

So wait,

what I'm hearing is you don't even think they got one thing right? ⁓

Jeff (32:34)
better than the Netflix

version and Disney version. the. ⁓ So as we're watching it and I'm enjoying it and I'm thinking, you know what this is the shit this film gets, I think is kind of like when people say they hate Nickelback, everyone says they hate Nickelback and it's somehow Nickelback has made.

Millions of dollars and sold millions and and sold out shows like no one likes them But somehow they're still you know an incredibly successful band It doesn't nickelback come on in this movie my god, it is the nickelback of superhero movies So But then

Steve Scarfo (33:05)
Yes.

I did not know that. Even Nickelback is in this movie, which just solidifies my point that the cheese levels were at the highest level.

Jeff (33:31)
And then I was then effervescent, effervescence comes on, bring me to life, my immortal, banger after banger, good soundtrack for those of us who like this kind of music. And so, Hoobastank is on the soundtrack. Got some Hoobastank in there, come on.

Steve Scarfo (33:45)
Bad music, good bangers for bad music.

Yeah.

Let's be honest, the best thing

about Hoobastank is saying the word Hoobastank.

Jeff (33:58)
Right. And some of my favorite bullseye moves, were in the film, like when he flicks the card and it slices Electra's throat, that's from the original Frank Miller comics. and I think he also, he like shoots something else out, like, just it's it.

Steve Scarfo (34:21)
He shoots a

pencil across the room and he skewers ⁓ an olive. Fisk is holding an olive and he just shoots a pencil and it skewers the olive. Listen.

Jeff (34:27)
Yeah.

Yeah, and he's got the syringe when he's all incapacitated and he kills a fly. Like, he's got some good, good stuff. that, and him in that, ⁓ in the hospital, you know, broken like that, that was also in the Frank Miller comics. And it was, so for me, I, and I thought the casting was great. I disagree with you with Michael Clark Duncan. actually think he's got the, the size of Kingpin and still the athleticism.

Steve Scarfo (34:37)
Yes.

Jeff (35:00)
So I think it works really well. ⁓ Yeah, so I'm not going to say anything bad about this version. I'm just arguing that let's stop giving it. Let's stop yucking the yum baby. Let's just say, hey, in its time, it was a good entertaining superhero movie.

So I'm saying.

clemency. I'm just asking for some clemency.

Steve Scarfo (35:25)
From 2003 to

2003, it was the best Daredevil movie I had ever seen.

Jeff (35:34)
Thank you, that's all I ask.

Steve Scarfo (35:35)
If I bound my memory by the year of

2003 for every daredevil movie I saw in 2003, it was the best of that one movie and to this day It was the best It was the best 2003 fully well, yes, also the only Full length here double movie So yes

Jeff (35:41)
Yes. ⁓ and to this day, to this day, still the best Daredevil movie. Full length movie. The best. Yes.

Steve Scarfo (36:02)
given the caveats and those extreme restrictions, I will say we can still guilty. This is like guilt. Yeah. This isn't like the not guilty by reason of cheesiness. This is guilty, but cheesy or not guilty, but cheesy. However you want to go. All right. I'll give you that in 03. was good, but that's as far as I'll go. All right. We're going to drown and drop into our basement.

Jeff (36:03)
clemency, that's all I asked. A reduced sentence, still guilty, just not as guilty as people say.

All right, I've got some great basement treasures here because I do have quite a few of my Daredevils from the Frank Miller run. ⁓ When I realized these are things that I'd want to keep in treasure. So 1983 to 85. And a few of the covers that I really love. I've got one with Daredevil and Kingpin together.

Steve Scarfo (37:06)
I actually think I had that one. So just so you guys know, what was the number on that one? So Jeff's actually showing covers for those of you who just listening, this is a great reason to watch this on YouTube. Now, oh, I definitely had this one, number 187, is that what it says? 60 cents.

Jeff (37:08)
the ⁓

yeah, I'm showing covers.

Yeah.

So this daredevil, he's, ⁓ and, and the thing is what I'm showing you, what I love about the daredevil, both, the Ben Affleck one and the Charlie Cox one, Frank Miller, that run, it's just bizarre to me that this story, these stories from 40 plus years ago are the ones that they're doing now. That, you know, that the ones that they did in the

Like that's informing this character to this day. And that's just amazing. Yeah, exactly. This one I love, my favorite artist I talked about earlier with She-Hulk, this is John Byrne's cover and it's Daredevil having kicked Bullseye's ass on this cover and Daredevil's got a broken arm and he still did it. Yeah, but I also wanna...

Steve Scarfo (37:57)
Yeah, it definitely speaks to the strength of those stories.

That's funny, because he looks dead there.

Not Daredevil,

bullseye look dead.

Jeff (38:23)
⁓ Also, like, however, Daredevil had some good cameos from other characters like Black Widow, come on Scarlet. All all right, she's gone. What's the sister's name? Yeah, let's bring her in. However, there was also an epic fail. This cover that I'm showing right now, Wolverine, I don't know who this cover artist is, I can't tell the name.

Steve Scarfo (38:31)
Yeah, she can't, she can't.

Yelena Belova.

⁓

I've seen

this one before too.

Jeff (38:51)
He's got the claws

popping out of his palm, not his knuckles. The claws of Wolverine are emerging from his palm. Yeah, so in the interior art got it right and it looks good, but man, that was such a bad cover. And so an epic fail on that one, but still.

Steve Scarfo (38:57)
What?

⁓ yeah, it's like really badly done.

Florence Pugh,

that's who you're talking about. We gotta get Florence Pugh in there to be the new... She's supposed to be the new Black Widow anyway. She's in,

Jeff (39:24)
yeah.

Yeah,

yeah, let's get some of those cameos. Daredevils made cameos in Spider-Man. Come on. ⁓ and then in Brand New Day, ⁓ Punisher's in there. So come on, let's get some more Daredevil.

Steve Scarfo (39:36)
Yeah.

Jeff (39:45)
You think Charlie Cox is in it?

Steve Scarfo (39:45)
It was,

well he was in the last one with, that had all the, what was the, Far From Home. Yeah, and he just snacked it. ⁓ And it's funny because those two don't supposedly know each other at that point in time, right? They're not supposedly, they obviously don't know each other or who each other really is, although Murdock might have an inkling, because of his sense. ⁓

Jeff (39:50)
Yeah. Yeah. The brick came flying through and he caught it. Yeah.

Yeah, I loved that cameo, that was great.

Steve Scarfo (40:12)
I remember being in the theater and everybody freaking erupted when Charlie Cox's face came on screen. Because it was the first time we were for sure. I mean, there was a lot of people saying he's in it, he's in it, he's in it, but you know, it was the first time we actually got to see it. It's fantastic.

But now we get a chance to talk some more about I don't have a treasure. I used to have a ton of comics. We talked about this before we started recording. I at some point in the last 10, 15 years sold all my comics for some stupid reason. I kept a handful of them. I didn't keep any daredevils, mostly Wolverine and Spider-Man. Again, I think we've talked about it. Those are my those were my two characters. But I think I had probably a small run of daredevils. I also lost a bunch in a flood. I'm sure we've talked about that, too. So let's talk about.

how things got better since Affleck?

Jeff (41:11)
I don't argue that Daredevil is not superior to ⁓ that 2003 version. Netflix got it right. mean, it was amazing. ⁓ I thought, ⁓ it's funny, I did re-watch it, but we were talking about the origin where, and I know back in...

the 60s, we talked about this one of our, I think we can creature double feature, like how many things got super powered or super villained because of radiation. right, like Daredevil, know, it's a bar, a radioactive bar hits him in the eyes and blinds him, but gives him all his powers. And then in the Ben Affleck version, you know, like a skateboard or something cuts open the barrel.

Steve Scarfo (41:51)
Because of radiation,

Jeff (42:09)
and ⁓ it splashes the radioactive liquid on his face and blinds him and gives him his powers. What did it, do you remember what it did, what this one was?

Steve Scarfo (42:23)
In,

it's funny, because when you mentioned the radiation before, I was thinking about it. I think in this version, he's just like, he went through like some serious training with, ⁓ I don't know if we're supposed to be an old military buddy of his dad's, his dad gets killed. ⁓ He's blind, his dad gets killed, and he gets blinded during the shooting. Are you looking it up? Good, because. ⁓

Jeff (42:50)
Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (42:51)
I believe this was supposed to be a him just really training his body and his senses to be sharp because in the 2015 version, ⁓ Scott Glenn, think it is who plays the mentor. ⁓ Stick, yeah. Was it Scott Glenn?

Jeff (43:08)
So he's stick is the mentor. Yeah. And

is, yeah. And that is, that's accurate.

Steve Scarfo (43:18)
yeah, he was just really well trained by stick. And it was that he learned to enhance the rest of his ⁓ facilities, if you will, hearing and mostly hearing, of course, ⁓ I think is what they're doing to kind of replace that ⁓ radar sense. ⁓ I don't know, how do you how do you feel about that? Because as we talk about it, makes me wonder.

It's like saying, it's funny because it's, and they made fun of it in Brand New Day, ⁓ or sorry, Far From Home. ⁓ Some of the Spider-Man iterations have to have web shooters that they've created and some of them create their own webs out of their wrists. Like, Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man could shoot webs and the other two couldn't and they made a joke about it as they're all like, wait, that comes out of you? ⁓ And obviously they didn't.

there's no crossover like that for Daredevil, but like in some iterations of Daredevil, he's got actual powers, which is something that makes him more than, know, in the sense of Batman, Batman is not anything more than a regular dude, but he's got a lot of great gadgets. ⁓ Daredevil's got some cool gadgets with his baton and some other stuff that he uses, but essentially in this iteration, he's just a really highly trained

really high reflexes, but they don't give him a super human ability. He's just a guy who's really good at what he's almost like a black widow because she doesn't have any superpowers, but she's really damn good at what she does.

Jeff (44:52)
Yeah. I think overall it does work, but I do understand, I've heard some feedback about how he seems like he can be taken down a little bit more easily than a lot of us would like to see Daredevil by. But. ⁓

I still think it works and I think it works because of it does make it him being more vulnerable. You are worried about him, right? So because you don't know, is he going to to make it or what's going to happen to him? But he he is his his senses are a bit superhuman because he he was in the church.

in episode four and he could hear in the building next door bull's eyes. So I mean, he does have a superhuman level of hearing.

Steve Scarfo (45:53)
Heartbeat.

So hold on. So I was just looking it up.

So ⁓ everything I said apparently was wrong. So in 2015, I swear this was, he definitely has ⁓ scenes where Stick beats him into shape.

Jeff (46:06)
Okay.

Steve Scarfo (46:15)
But they're saying that he blinded as a child by radioactive chemicals. His remaining senses, hearing, smell, taste, and touch were all heightened into superhuman levels. He uses them to navigate via a radar sense and detect danger, such as listening to heartbeats and detecting lies. So yes, and I specifically asked, does the 2015 TV show, and the answer was yes, the Matt Murdock, Charlie Cox in 2015 Daredevil TV has superhuman powers. ⁓

Yeah, that's, I don't remember it that way. ⁓ But like you said in the last episode, he could hear his heartbeat from two buildings away. That's pretty damn sharp. ⁓

Jeff (46:53)
Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (46:57)
So yeah,

this is the second or third time in this episode of Lone you've saved me from a canon correction. So for anyone who's listening, thank Jeff for that. Now you don't have to hear that klaxon singing at the beginning of the next episode.

Jeff (47:10)
Ha

Yeah, yeah, he he he does have superhuman powers. His senses are are incredibly heightened, his hearing specifically. It's funny because we're going to be doing an episode on the boys coming up and there's a character in there that's supposed to be one of the potential replacements ⁓ for ⁓ translucent the invisible man that.

Steve Scarfo (47:17)
Nyeh.

Yeah, and his,

Jeff (47:39)
that dies in season one and season two, they suggest this guy, I think it's Blindspot is his name. But they know he's blind and know he has heightened hearing and that's how he can get away with it. Well, ⁓ Highlander immediately takes him out just by snapping his fingers and breaking his eardrums so he bursts. Now he's a blind guy who

Steve Scarfo (48:02)
Ha.

Jeff (48:07)
It's just a blind guy. That's all it takes, yeah. So that was in season two of The Boys.

Steve Scarfo (48:09)
Wait, did they already do that? Is that in?

season two. I'm like, I can't remember that. The way you started, I thought

you were saying it was something they were doing in this final season, but you're saying it was before.

Jeff (48:22)
Now

it's the yeah, so I'm rewatching it in preparation. But the. All I could think of is it's a good thing that the world doesn't know that Daredevil is blind and relies on his hearing because it would be pretty easy. Right. And I guess, you know what they kind of there is an episode right where they're actually using sound. I don't know if they're using it deliberately, but they actually do do that. ⁓

Steve Scarfo (48:39)
Yes.

Yeah, the Anti-Vigilante Task Force has something on their trucks.

Jeff (48:52)
They've got these, yes, yeah,

where they're blasting and he has to take out the speakers before he can do anything, yeah.

Steve Scarfo (49:02)
Yeah, yeah, and I

think that might've just been like a riot control tactic, because I don't think that was targeted for him. It reminds me of Stranger Things. It actually reminded me of Stranger Things when they had the sound blast in season five to take down Elle, because she was susceptible to the sounds and the vibration. ⁓ But yeah, it's.

Jeff (49:17)
⁓ yes!

Steve Scarfo (49:27)
It's funny because, and we joke a lot about the Ben Affleck version, right, most of these things are walk before you can fly sort of situation. The N03 in that time timeline.

When did we say Iron Man came out? Was it 05? 08, right? So in 03, nobody was taking superhero movies seriously. Like the first one, even when they did the Batman and the Superman movies, were always like, know, Christopher Reeve is Superman. I remember that first movie was amazing. Like, your chest is swelling. You're like, oh my God, this is so cool. And, but they were still sort of...

Jeff (49:44)
wait.

Steve Scarfo (50:08)
goofy and like, you know, they were kind of campy and they didn't really get gritty until, and I don't even know if you can call the first Iron Man gritty, right? But it was more serious. It was more grounded. It was a look at the realistic kind of how could this happen? So you have to, you know, maybe a little late after our segment, but I'll give it a little bit of clemency because it gave us something when we had nothing.

⁓ 2015 hits and they just knock it out of the park. I don't know that we actually need to say this, but them bringing back both and not even just both, all of the original characters from the Netflix series is the smartest thing I've ever seen happen because it's not something that typically happens. When a character gets rebooted,

Usually the first thing they do is say we need a new actor like they did it with Superman. I think Henry Cavill was amazing as Superman Right and this other kid Brent Brandon sweat ⁓ He's good. He's really good. I'm like I say he's not a good actor, but it's a whole different But I mean that's not even that far apart, you know the last Cavill to this guy ⁓ But hey, we're gonna reboot we gotta do everything new. So let's get so we get all new people. We'll do all new shit

Jeff (51:30)
I feel like you could be getting into a rant or a message. I think it might be a good idea to drop that.

Steve Scarfo (51:33)
Ugh. It-

Jeff

saves me from my drops all the time. Hold on. I'm going to continue in a second.

Jeff (51:40)
Ha ha.

Steve Scarfo (51:48)
We might have to rename it to evolutionary rant because I usually run right into it. So here and I'm in the middle of the rant, but I'm going to keep going. It always drives me crazy when they take good actors out of roles to put other actors in roles, even if they're good actors. ⁓ In the last in the flash, Sarah Kelly played Supergirl and she was great.

Jeff (51:53)
Yeah.

Hmm.

I know she was so good.

Steve Scarfo (52:16)
She didn't have a

Jeff (52:16)
Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (52:17)
ton of lines, but I mean her presence on screen what she did do was awesome. And I don't think Millie Alcock is going to do a bad job, but it's and I did like her in what I saw of House of the Dragon. I didn't watch a lot of it, but like I've not seen her in a ton. I'm sure she does fine. But if you have an actor and actress who's good at this, it's like, you know, Gal Gadot isn't going to be Wonder Woman anymore. Like. Why? I don't know, unless she just doesn't want to do it, which I didn't.

Jeff (52:19)
Mm-hmm.

Steve Scarfo (52:45)
I didn't think that was the case. So them teaking Vincent D'Onofrio, Charlie Cox. ⁓ I just lost her name. I can see her head. I can see her face in my head. ⁓

Debra Ann Wall, ⁓ even the guy who played Foggy who dies in episode one and then they bring him back this season first and they bring back ⁓ Punisher. ⁓ John Bertholdt's Punisher like that just proves that what they did in 2015 at Netflix was was right. They built the right base. So this is maybe an anti rant because thank you.

Jeff (52:58)
yeah.

John Bertha.

Mm-hmm.

Steve Scarfo (53:26)
Disney and Marvel for not fucking it up and bringing in all new people just because you wanted to tell a different version of the story. Thank you for giving us the people we loved in 2015 and bringing it back. And for all you guys who keep screwing things over, I'm looking at you James Gunn, cut the shit. You know, that's that's it. Just keep the keep the good actors, man. Don't just change it just for the sake of changing it.

Jeff (53:49)
Yeah, I love all that because you're right. more often than not, when another creator takes over, they feel like they have to reboot the actor as well, even though the actor was great. And it's not and we're not saying that some of the new version actors are bad. But like, you know, when I think about, you know, oh, he only got two Spider-Mans and then then

Steve Scarfo (54:10)
no.

Jeff (54:19)
⁓ Andrew Garfield is great. was a great version of Spider-Man and he didn't get to do it enough. felt. And that's nothing that doesn't Tom Holland is awesome too. So nothing. It's not anti-Tom Holland, but I, I just, I do wonder because the casting for those DC heroes was in my mind so perfect. Like, is there no way James Gunn could have.

Steve Scarfo (54:19)
Andrew Garfield.

Jeff (54:49)
brought them in and made it work. I just feel like it could have worked with the story he wants to tell. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll give it more time. But I feel like it could like even that Superman that with the new Superman. Yeah. He's great. But I do think Henry Cavill's

Steve Scarfo (54:55)
Yeah.

Yeah

David Cornsweat, that's what I just looked up. That's his name, David Cornsweat. I said sweat.

Jeff (55:17)
version could have also played a similar story.

Steve Scarfo (55:20)
Yes, they said something about they wanted him to be the younger. He they wanted him to be the more not juvenile, but just a younger version of Superman and Cavill's a little, know, he's probably in his late 30s by now. So maybe it was a look thing. But ⁓ and look, there are some additions that have worked really well. Like I like Rachel Brosnahan is Lois Lane, but ⁓ Amy Adams is Lois Lane was great, too. it just.

Jeff (55:33)
True. True.

Steve Scarfo (55:47)
If there's a good reason, I wanna hear it. If there's not, don't fuck around with it. ⁓ I know we're not on this topic, but it's like, cause I'm thinking Henry Cavill now, but The Witcher, they, ⁓ what's his name? It was one of the ⁓ Hemsworths. Yeah, Liam's Hemsworth. Like he wasn't bad, but he wasn't as good as Henry Cavill.

Jeff (56:04)
Liam. ⁓

Steve Scarfo (56:12)
Like I believe they actually said for the final season they went back to get a Cavill because people were so mad that he's just, he's not the same. He doesn't have the gravitas that Henry Cavill had in the role. He didn't give it what Henry Cavill gave it. And this is why you don't fuck around. You give the job to the actor who best fits the role ⁓ and not the one who's just new and shiny. But we got to talk about some hits and fails.

Jeff (56:45)
Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (56:45)
Hehehe.

Jeff (56:46)
Go ahead.

Steve Scarfo (56:48)
⁓ I'm gonna jump into the epic fail of 2003. ⁓ I think you heard most of it. ⁓ I will just I do have a hit but

Jeff (56:54)
hear it.

Steve Scarfo (57:00)
Yeah, that Affleck daredevil. I just can't with that. reminds me of like the third Batman movie with Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze. Like, okay, we got to see it. Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy and it had all, it was the same formula.

of we bring all the big actors in and we create a really big story so everybody has a lot of stay screen time and and it just I don't think it gelled I don't think it worked it just didn't for me ⁓ and on the other side of that my hit has to be Charlie Cox ⁓ as the current Daredevil because I think he is a guy if you just look at him as an actor he doesn't look tough

He doesn't look like he should be a badass, but when he's in that costume and he's doing his thing, he has the presence. ⁓ And he's every bit of a badass in that show. I've not honestly seen him as other characters. Even in She-Hulk, was there. Like, I don't know him from other stuff. ⁓ But yeah, Charlie Cox is killing it. And ⁓ I couldn't be happier that they brought him back.

Jeff (58:13)
Yeah, so critical hit. ⁓ I agree with your rant and also your hit. the original Netflix cast. Brilliant. Critical hit. Awesome. ⁓ My fail, which is a small fail, it shouldn't even be considered epic, but a fail, as you mentioned him in She-Hulk. And I wished that we got that yellow and red suit. Yes, it's silly.

That the Netflix is very dark. And so it's fun to see this kind of fun version of Matt Murdock and potentially a more brighter version of Daredevil. And ⁓ the showrunners for Daredevil, they want to keep it true to the Netflix and that darkness. So they're not seeing that. So but I hope that we see that the epic fail is

that brief glimpse of that original Daredevil yellow and red uniform. Let's get another glimpse of that. And then we got the jet black one right now, which it's and it's cool. I'm not taking anything away from it. And he certainly couldn't put that yellow and red one on in this current climate with with Fisk. So maybe someday New York will be free of Fisk and we can get the yellow and red suit.

Steve Scarfo (59:21)
Yeah, I was gonna say this one's not even red, it's just black.

I will say we were talking about the original 2015 series and I should have mentioned it during evolution. I do like I remember liking watching the evolution of the suit because it just started him with black pants black shirt and tying a bandana around his eyes. And I think it wasn't until the end of season one and they they very naturally show how the suit becomes a thing because Fisk has a bulletproof suit and he's like oh I need that material.

Jeff (1:00:10)
⁓ yeah.

Steve Scarfo (1:00:12)
And he makes a shirt out of that material. so he assembles ⁓ pieces of his shoulder pads and the armor. all comes from like a really organic storytelling. So just to talk a little bit more about the suit was it was a great evolution. Maybe that's another critical hit is from the original series ⁓ that they that they show that. now, like you said, we're in the jet black suit, which is very cool.

Jeff (1:00:30)
Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (1:00:37)
But I agree that yellow and red one was fun. And they made it such a big part of that storyline for She-Hulk because She-Hulk had to go to this special like, ⁓ costumer of superheroes to get special materials. And you get to see the helmet and you know, and like, my God, it's Daredevil's yellow helmet.

Jeff (1:00:51)
Yes.

And for those who watch these shows and love these shows but don't read the comics, this happens in the comics all the time. You'll get a version of Wolverine where the claws come out of his paw. Not just kidding. But there'll be a different take than that character is in their normal comic run or even in their current run. So that does happen.

Steve Scarfo (1:01:19)
Yeah,

even the cover you showed earlier, it's him and it's like an orangey red and a yellow. It's not like the yellow and blue for Wolverine, I mean. Yeah. So, all right. Well, Daredevil born again. We're halfway through season two. ⁓ It's freaking amazing. If you don't like the show, you don't like comics and I'll fight you on that. So come get me if you want, but ⁓ listen, like, subscribe, watch, share.

Jeff (1:01:28)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Steve Scarfo (1:01:48)
⁓ Join us. I still have to reach out to Rick and his wife. ⁓ We can get them on and do an episode with them. yeah, keep watching, keep listening and check us out and remember to stay geeky.

Jeff (1:01:55)
Yeah.

Stay geeky my friends.